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Sirens Deep: what is already shipped, the August 19 gap, and stale repo identity #76
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Two earlier claims in this issue were wrong, both from reasoning off issue text and commit subjects instead of reading the tree.
sirens-deepworkload is deployed and its profile is onmain.A third statement needs tightening. This issue previously described Sirens Deep as "the social-persona response profile on a DeepSeek backend." That is imprecise on both halves.
What Sirens Deep actually is on main
agent/sirens-deep.yaml, schemacoilyco-harness.agent.v1:identity: CoilyCoaudit_role: generalresponse_style: socialchannel: ""local_skill_roots: [.agents/skills/coilyco-general]mcp_servers: []docs/response-profiles.mdstates that the filename "remains the stable deployment selection used by the existingsirens-deepworkload," and that the profile is HTTP-only, has no MCP roster, and has no automatic issue tracker.So
sirens-deepis a deployment selector name, and the profile behind it is now the CoilyCo general-purpose social profile, repurposed bybcc5998on 2026-08-06. It is not a Sirens community persona.The DeepSeek association is a deployment fact, not a repository fact. The definition names no model.
mainreads the model tag fromAGENT_PROXY_MODELat runtime. The name traces to5704293, "refactor: name the DeepSeek profile Sirens Deep," on 2026-08-05.The real August 19 gap
The demo in coilysiren/inbox#324 needs a Discord agent with tools that talks to other agents and can be evaluated on identity. Measured against
agent/sirens-deep.yamlas it stands:Already there
sirens-deepworkload with a stable deployment selector.f869390.Not there
channel: "". The demo is a Discord channel.mcp_servers: []. coilysiren/inbox#334 wants tools on this agent.None of that is a refactor. It is profile configuration, a channel binding, an MCP roster, and the eval.
Stale repository identity
The Forgejo description still reads:
That is already inaccurate. The repository ships two selectable profiles, one of which is a general-purpose CoilyCo harness that is not the Sirens Discord community agent at all. Candidate replacement:
Kai owns the final wording. The Forgejo repository description is instance metadata rather than a tracked file, and the MCP surface available to agent sessions exposes no repository-edit tool, so that line is a Kai or authorized ops action.
README.mdanddocs/FEATURES.mdwere touched by the profile commits and may already be current. Check them in the same pass rather than assuming.Member-data boundary, unchanged
The August 19 demo runs on Abhay's small purpose-made Discord, not the Sirens community server, so no real member data is in scope for the stream.
Open only if a profile is ever pointed at the real community server on a hosted backend: retention and training terms, whether the community is told which backend answers them, and whether any channel class is excluded. Issue #55's telemetry body-safety contract is unaffected either way.
Record sirens-deep as a second deploy variant of this harnessto sirens-deep: DeepSeek deploy variant, committed for the August 19 Temporal demosirens-deep: DeepSeek deploy variant, committed for the August 19 Temporal demoto Update repository identity for the Sirens Deep profile already on mainUpdate repository identity for the Sirens Deep profile already on mainto Sirens Deep: what is already shipped, the August 19 gap, and stale repo identityRepository description: already fixed, close that part
Direction from Kai, 2026-08-12 session.
The issue records the description as stale:
That is no longer what the instance carries. The current description on
coilyco-gaming/sirens-echoreads:Which is accurate about both profiles and needs no further wording decision. That item is done — no Kai or ops action is outstanding on it.
What remains here
The issue body itself flags it:
README.mdanddocs/FEATURES.mdwere touched by the profile commits and may already be current. Check them rather than assuming. That is the only open work item left in this issue that belongs to the engineer.The August 19 gap, restated against current status
The "Not there" list has moved since this was written. Current disposition of each:
sirens-deep-mcp-roster.ymlcarriesforgejoandsteamAgent-to-agent recognition remains the genuinely unbuilt one, and per #81 it is the axis carrying the three-model sweep. Worth naming plainly: it is the item most likely to miss August 19.
Member-data boundary
Unchanged and still correct. The demo runs on Abhay's small purpose-made Discord, not the Sirens community server.
Status refresh against
mainat06a86a0This issue's inventory has moved a lot, so here it is re-measured rather than remembered. Two of its statements are now stale in the useful direction, and one was fixed by someone else already.
Already there, updated
The original list still holds, and gains:
ValidateSystemPromptinverts per profile so Echo still carries none of it, and all eight roster roles bake soSIRENS_DEEP_ROLEselects one with no rebuild.Two entries in "Not there" are now inaccurate
The field no longer exists.
e90e34bmoved the roster to a deployment-owned YAML file named bySIRENS_ECHO_MCP_ROSTER, so a definition cannot carry one. Whether Deep has tools is a deploy fact, and per the roster comments quoted in #137 it does have the Forgejo MCP.channel: ""is still true and no longer means HTTP-only. It is the prompt's boundary label, not the routing key:admissionPolicyrenders no channel sentence when it is empty, and routing comes from the access policy. Deep is on Discord today through the DM lane, and per my comment on #135 the guild path needs no code either.The stale repository description is fixed
It now reads "A discord community agent harness - home of sirens echo and sirens deep". Whoever changed it, that bullet is done.
What is genuinely still not there
Exactly one item from the original list survives re-measurement:
The identity eval is partially built:
agent/board-deep.yamlis a human-graded board that emits a dataset and reports no verdict, andevaluation-deep.yamlis the deterministic gate. Neither covers the three recognition axes yet, which is #81's scope.Suggested disposition
This issue did its job as the durable record of the gap. Everything in it is now either closed, reassigned to a live issue, or fixed. I would close it and let #81 carry the remaining recognition work, but it is labelled
consultand the call is yours.The member-data boundary at the end is unchanged and still correct.
Decision: close it
Direction from Kai, 2026-08-12 session. The
consultlabel made this her call, and the recommendation in the status refresh is accepted.This issue did its job. It was the durable record of the August 19 gap, it corrected two of its own claims along the way, and every line in it is now closed, reassigned to a live issue, or verified fixed.
Where the remaining work lives
On the re-measurement
Two corrections in the status refresh are worth keeping visible, because both were things this issue asserted and the tree disproved:
mcp_servers: []— the field no longer exists at all. Whether Deep has tools is a deploy fact.channel: ""— still true, and it does not mean HTTP-only. It is the prompt's boundary label, not a routing key.That is the second time this issue has been corrected by reading the tree rather than the issue text, and it is the reason closing it is right: a stale inventory left open invites someone to read it as current.
Unchanged and still correct
The member-data boundary. The August 19 demo runs on Abhay's small purpose-made Discord, not the Sirens community server, so no real member data is in scope. That constraint outlives this issue — if a profile is ever pointed at the real community server on a hosted backend, retention, disclosure of which backend answers, and channel-class exclusions all become live questions. Worth re-filing standalone if that day comes.